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Bridges4Kids LogoAdministration Seeks End To School Bond Credit Card
MIRS, March 22, 2005
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The state's School Bond Loan Fund (SBLF) is growing out of control and is costing the state tens of millions each year as loan repayments from school districts fall short of actual debt service. The situation's got the administration seeking to curb the SBLF credit card.

Deputy State Treasurer Cynthia FAULHABER briefed members of the House Education Appropriations Subcommittee today on Gov. Jennifer GRANHOLM's plan to turn the SBLF into a traditional revolving loan program.

The Constitution and state law authorizes the state's School Bond Loan program to essentially enhance the state's credit by giving local school districts a mechanism to issue capital improvement bonds.

Over time, the amount of debt service related to the SBLF has exceeded the amount of loan repayments the state gets back from school districts.

For example, last year, the state owed through the program more than $625 million in outstanding debt with related debt service of $31 million. The amount of loan repayments received by the state from school districts that benefited from the debt however, totaled only $10 million. The School Aid Fund picked up the remaining $21 million.

Local district bonds that are deemed "qualified" by the Department of Treasury get the state's credit rating and school districts may borrow from the state the amount needed to pay principal and interest requirements on outstanding qualified bonds.

"Ten years ago there were 48 school districts participating in the School Bond Loan Fund owing a balance of approximately $83 million," Faulhaber told the panel. "Borrowing has escalated over the last 10 years and currently there are 146 school districts participating and the balance owed is approximately $791 million."

Faulhaber added that even if no new districts begin borrowing from the fund, the balance of loans outstanding would reach $1 billion by 2009.

The problem with the program is that the borrowing of districts against the program is unrestricted. Under current law, Faulhaber explained, the millage rate that school districts must levy before they can borrow from the program is between 7 and 13 mills. The millage rate is set when the school district seeks qualification of its bonds from Treasury. The millage rate is one that is to assure that the school district will repay all of the SBLF loans within five years of the last bond maturity.

Because borrowing is unrestricted, school districts can go back to the state and qualify for additional bonding. That new "qualification" then sets back payment to the SBLF five years after the payoff date of the new bonds.

"Some districts have been borrowing from the SBLF since the 1960s and will not repay until after 2020," Faulhaber said. "This type of 'roll-over' borrowing has contributed to the sizeable growth of the SBLF debt over the years."

The reforms being pushed by the administration would essentially bring discipline to the SBLF credit card by requiring that schools repay their loans on a predictable schedule, regardless of whether they want more bonding money.

"By doing that, we'd be able to tie loan repayments to debt service and convert this to a true revolving loan fund," Faulhaber added.

The reforms would also call for Treasury to strengthen the program by updating both the application process and the criteria used to evaluate those applying.

Under questioning by Subcommittee Chair Rep. John MOOLENAAR (R-Midland), Faulhaber said the state would still be required to cover the bonds if the original mills approved in the qualification process aren't enough to pay back the bonds.

The Treasury official noted that school districts that continually roll over their debt, essentially pushing back their repayment date, could feel pinched by the reforms.

    

Udow Lays Out DHS Goals
MIRS, March 22, 2005

 

Along with its new name, the Department of Human Services (DHS) has a new, sharper vision going into 2005 — reduce poverty, get young children on the right track and help the poor reach their potential.

The goals were laid out today by DHS Director Marianne UDOW at the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Human Services today as the director laid out the department's three-year plan, a document one year in the making and a product crafted from the input of more than 5,000 clients, community representatives and employees.

In many ways, the document has the smell of something based on the business-like concepts espoused in The Price of Government.

"People were asked what they thought the mission of the department should be, why they would want to pay taxes to support it, what they thought the results should be and what kinds of measurable outcomes the department should be achieving," she said.

According to the director, this is the first time since the 1996 welfare reform that this type of process has been undertaken.

“It was our opportunity to revisit welfare reform, to learn what was successful from it, to learn from what is happening today in our environment and the economy, and to determine where we should map our future,” she said.

She said the department has developed a mission and vision in its strategic plan. Its mission is to help people with issues related to safety and family stability, as well as to help them be self-supporting and self-sufficient.

Its vision is three-pronged. First and foremost is its vision to reduce poverty. She said more than one-third of Michigan's children are living in poverty and that must change.

Secondly, the department wants to help all children have a great start in life. “If we can have an impact on children between 0 and 5 years of age, we can have a significant impact on the health of our economy and the productivity of our citizens,” she said. Finally, the department wants to help all of their clients reach their full potential.

The director laid out six goals for the department for the next four years. The department's first goal is to support its staff and improve efficiency. Since 1997, staff has been reduced 27 percent while caseload increased 42 percent.

“That has created a significant challenge for staff. We need to move to an integrated information technology system, and reduce complexity to improve efficiency and effectiveness,” she said.

The department's second goal is to improve early child care and education.

“We need to focus on how we can do a better job as a state in providing quality early learning opportunities for our children,” said Udow.

The agency's third goal is to reduce poverty by helping clients to be self-sufficient and self-supporting. The department wants to modify the state's Work First program to help clients become better skilled for today's jobs. The director indicated that specific recommendations would be coming.

Goal four is to strengthen the state's child welfare system. Udow said that too many children are in the system and she wants to reduce that number by 1 percent by expanding the state's Family-to-Family program statewide.

“The program allows staff to work with families, communities and foster families to keep children in their home, if they can be kept in their home safely," she said. "If they cannot be kept in their home, we at least want to give them some stability by keeping them in their home communities and at their regular school.”

The department's fifth goal is to make sure that adults in its system - those in protective services or health care - can live in community-based settings to the extent that they possibly can. Its final goal is to strengthen the department's prevention and early intervention programs, like Family Resource Centers.

“We know that, if we can intervene early in the course of a problem, we can make a significant difference in the course of that problem,” Udow said.

She added that, for nearly 70 percent of the children in the state's child welfare system, their families had come to the department for cash assistance, food assistance or some other form of assistance. “If the department was able to intervene at that time and help that family to become stable, we could reduce the number of children that face abuse,” she said.

 

Critics Question Cassis Ed Package
MIRS, March 24, 2005

Republican senators continued their push today for a package in the Senate Education Committee that would promote a new way to help kids who have problems learning in kindergarten through third grade.

Through the "S.A.V.E. the Children" bills, lead sponsor Nancy CASSIS's (R-Novi) idea is to help identify specific problems a kid is having and get them the appropriate help as opposed to automatically shipping them to special education. The approach helps the kids improve without being pinned with the stigma of being a special ed kid. It also saves the state (and school districts) special education money.

“One of the problems we can say is that there is no consistent way in evaluating a student for special education,” Cassis said. “But one thing we do know is that there are young people who are not succeeding in schools. I know first hand that there are students going through special education and have not been successful and what it does to their self-esteem.”

Joining Cassis as sponsors of the SB 0324 through SB 0330 are Sen. Wayne KUIPERS (R-Holland), chair of the Senate Education Committee; Sen. Patty BIRKHOLZ (R-Saugatuck Twp.); Sen. Bill HARDIMAN (R-Kentwood); and Sen. Ron JELINEK (R-Three Oaks), chair of the Senate Appropriations K-12 subcommittee.

SB 0324 would change when a child would start kindergarten. It would require a child to be five years old by Sept. 1 instead of Dec. 1 starting the 2007-2008 school year. A school district could adopt a policy of allowing a child who was four years old by Sept. 1 to attend kindergarten. SB 0325 would amend the State School Aid Act so it could comply with SB 0324.

Susan MATZ, the director of instructional program at Walled Lake Consolidated Schools, felt the bill was geared more to dates when the focus should be on students.

“I would urge you to think less on age and instead on what are the qualities and length of time for a student at risk,” Matz said. “We are also concerned on the financial impact on having a dramatically reduced enrollment.”

Kuipers was concerned by the fact that Matz and officials from other school districts depend on the financial aspect of each child enrolled.

“It troubles me that schools will be counting on the revenue of these students before they walk into the door,” he said. “ I have been told that this package will save the state $200 million."

SB 0324 also received opposition from Sen. Irma CLARK-COLEMAN, who said the bill should be based on what each individual child is ready for.

“When we install laws like this, we are saying all children need to make the same model, but all children don't make the same model,” Clark-Coleman said. “My concern deals with holding a child back when he is ready to go to school.”

SB 0326 would require a school district to devote at least one, out of the required five, professional development days a year to training about pupil learning, if the district had an above-average percentage of pupils in special education.

Although all of the bills focus on improving the education of young students, SB 0327 is geared toward changing higher education requirements for college students planning a career in teaching.

SB 0327 bumps up the number of credits a teaching student needs in elementary-level reading from six to nine. Also, future teachers would need to do field work at schools with above-average numbers of special education students. Also, the teaching students would need to be trained in how to spot a child's trouble as opposed to shoving the kid into special education.

The panel heard testimony on both sides of the issue as members of the college education profession voiced their concerns.

A Michigan State University professor said the bill would have a positive impact on future students since some college students aren't able to detect a student's reading level right now.

Jerry ROBBINS, president of the Michigan Association of Colleges for Teacher Education, said although he agreed that reading is most important for schools, state institutions already do intensive instructions in their fields.

“In most institutions, this would have the effect of lengthening programs,” said Robbins, who was also the dean of education at Eastern Michigan University. “If you look at all teachers, you have to look at when they were prepared. Teachers are better prepared today than 20 years ago.”

SB 0328 through SB 0330 is the funding piece of the Early Learning Success program. The program would monitor students as early as possible to reduce the need for special education placement.

Cassis added that despite the critics, she is determined that this is a step toward improving Michigan's future as a former state educator.


“You are speaking to the chief cheerleader on the bills,” she said. “I am passionate and I will fight for this."

 

Higher Ed Panel Given Dose Of Reality/Options

MIRS, March 23, 2005

 
Along with the annual message from the Presidents of the Big Three universities, the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Higher Education was given a dose of reality and some options to help cure what ails the state.

U.S. Rep. John "Joe" SCHWARZ (R-Battle Creek) and newspaper publisher Phil POWERS were both unabashed in suggesting to the panel that a new course of action is required to properly fund universities and the economic development those institutions can spur.

"It's crystal clear in recent years that state support for higher education has evolved into a system of user fees," said Powers. The owner of Hometown Newspapers suggested three different options for the state to solve what he describes as a perpetual $1 billion structural budget deficit.

First, Powers suggested that lawmakers consider lowering the state's business tax burden and broaden and lower the state's sales tax to five percent. That lower sales tax would be applied to services.

Second, move higher education funding into a restricted fund, something Schwarz mentioned, as well. Powers argued there is actually precedence for such an approach. The original Real Estate Transfer Tax was dedicated to funding the state's universities.

Third, Power suggested that lawmakers and the governor begin to make "some very tough" budget decisions to reflect the position of a state in a dire situation.

"I doubt our current political system has the political will to do any of those," Powers suggested. "We are, year after year, deploying a policy of remorseful incrementalism."

Due to term limits and fierce partisanship, Powers said Michigan is on course to become the "Mississippi of the North, no offense to Mississippi."

"Other than political expediency the only other explanation is that Michigan is in a cyclical situation and if we just wait, things will get better," Powers said, adding that there are no signs things will get better.

Former State Senator-turned-U.S. Representative Schwarz said much of the same thing.

"The history of this state is the history of the development of our universities," said Schwarz, a former chair of the Senate Higher Education Appropriations Subcommittee. "They're what got us here … they're what's going to get us through the future."

When pressed about a possible source of funding for a higher education restricted fund, Schwarz suggested the business tax, a tax currently being debated for reform.

"Michigan would not be the first to do this," Schwarz said, warning the panel that the continuous cuts to higher education are resulting in the state "getting very close to pricing Michigan families out of higher education for their sons and daughters."

One suggestion that at least appeared to gain the interest of Rep. Gretchen WHITMER (D-East Lansing), was one made by Powers that lawmakers consider a ballot proposal that would combine tax restructuring with a new higher education restricted fund.

"It could be the Proposal A of this decade," Powers suggested.

The three university presidents testifying today stressed the need for investment, but strayed away from offering up possible funding sources.

University of Michigan President Mary Sue COLEMAN kicked off the morning of testimony by warning the panel that "we're in a global race … and America is falling behind."

Coleman noted that there are five countries that spend more on research as a percent of the gross domestic product than the United States. She also noted that only about 22 percent of Michigan adults have a higher education. "That's well below the national average."

Coleman, like the other university presidents, noted the now on-going reduction in state funding is having an impact. She noted that if the governor's Fiscal Year (FY) 2006 university funding proposal is enacted, the U of M campus would have sustained a $50 million cut in funding.

Throughout the hearing, Subcommittee Chair Rep. John STEWART (R-Plymouth) repeatedly encouraged the three university presidents to schedule a 20-minute, face-to-face discussion with Gov. Jennifer GRANHOLM over the funding issue.
 

Loepp To Become Blues CEO
MIRS, March 23, 2005

 

The Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan Board of Directors has announced that it has selected Daniel J. LOEPP, senior vice president and chief of staff for the company, to succeed Blues president and CEO Richard WHITMER when Whitmer retires in mid-2006.

As CEO designate, Loepp will continue to serve as chief of staff until he assumes the president and CEO position after Whitmer's retirement in mid-2006. Leopp has been among those MIRS mentioned as possible successors to Whitmer. (see MIRS Feb. 22)

Loepp, 47, played a key role in moving the Blues-version of legislation creating rate-bands through the Legislature in 2003. He currently leads a broad range of areas at the company. In addition to serving as chief of staff, Loepp's portfolio includes the governmental affairs, corporate communications, product development, the Blues' Center for Health Care Quality, social mission and strategic planning areas.

Loepp joined the company in 2000 as vice president of governmental affairs. He serves on the Health Policy and Legislative Committee of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association, a policy-shaping body for the association of independent Blue Cross Blue Shield companies across the nation.

"The next 12 months may be a time of transition for the Blues, but not for our participating physicians and hospitals, group customers and individual members," said Blue Board Chairman SUDDERTH. "The Blues remain committed to providing affordable, accessible and quality health care coverage as a nonprofit organization. A new CEO will not change that."

 

Granholm Pushing Flanagan for Superintendent
Gongwer News Service, March 23, 2005

Mike Flanagan, executive director of the Michigan Association of School Administrators, was Governor Jennifer Granholm's education adviser when she first took office. Since leaving that post, Mr. Flanagan has indicated that is all the time he wants as a state employee, but Ms. Granholm announced this week she hopes he will throw his hat into the ring for superintendent of public instruction.

Liz Boyd, press secretary for Ms. Granholm, said the governor is hoping to talk to Mr. Flanagan, who is currently on vacation and unreachable, and convince him to have his application in by the April 8 deadline.

"She hopes that Mike Flanagan will reconsider and allow his name to be considered for superintendent," Ms. Boyd said. "The governor has not tapped Mike Flanagan, but the governor has tremendous respect for Mike Flanagan."

John Austin (D-Ann Arbor), vice president of the board and one of the members closest to Ms. Granholm, said part of the agreement between the governor and top board members was to invite people members of that group felt would be qualified for the position.

"I certainly think as a board we would want to be looking hard ...if the governor thinks he's the best candidate," Mr. Austin said of Mr. Flanagan. "I'm personally a big fan of Mike's."

But board President Kathleen Straus (D-Bloomfield Hills) was more reserved about Mr. Flanagan's candidacy. "We will review all the candidates who apply. If Mike applies, we will consider him along with all of the other candidates," she said.

And she said Ms. Granholm's endorsement was one of many considerations. "That's certainly one of the criteria that you have to get along with the governor," she said. "But there are others we have to weigh as well."

Mr. Austin said Mr. Flanagan may have some personal reasons for not seeking the position, but said he also has the same goal as board members: "I think that's what Mike is most interested in is who could be most effective."

Ms. Boyd said the governor would be making a single recommendation to the State Board of Education for consideration as superintendent, and that recommendation is expected to carry much weight after Ms. Granholm's vote of no confidence tipped the scales against former Superintendent Tom Watkins.

If Mr. Flanagan does not apply for the post, Ms. Boyd said the governor would pick one of those who did apply.

 

MEA Chief Fires Back on Teacher Insurance

MIRS, March 25, 2005

 
Michigan Education Association (MEA) President Lu Battaglieri on Thursday blasted projections by the Citizens Research Council (CRC) that a $225 increase in the K-12 per pupil grant would be soaked up by the rising cost of teacher insurance benefits, calling such calculations "Jethro-deciphering-to-Granny-on-the-Beverly-Hillbillies" math.

CRC's Tom CLAY told the state Board of Education in December and the Senate Education Committee a month later (See MIRS, Jan. 27, 2005) that even if the state gave four percent more to the School Aid Fund (SAF) in the next budget cycle, almost all of it would be eaten up by what may be viewed as generous benefits packages schools use to lure quality employees.

Gov. Jennifer GRANHOLM is proposing a $175-per-pupil increase to the $6,700 per-pupil payment the state gives locals to teach kids. For high schools, Granholm wants a $225-per-pupil increase. Using the Clay study as a backdrop, House Speaker Craig DeROCHE (R-Novi) confirmed this week that the House is considering linking any education funding increases to teacher health insurance benefit reform.

One of the proposals on the table is SB 0055 and SB 0056, which would create a statewide insurance pool similar to the one the state runs for its state employees. In response on Thursday, Battaglieri said he finds it strange that small-government Republicans now apparently believe a state bureaucracy would do a better job holding down costs than a private entity.

The MEA sees this as an attack on the Michigan Education Special Services Association (MESSA), a subsidiary of the MEA, which offers health insurance benefits for public schools. For years, Republicans, led by former Gov. John ENGLER tried to loosen what was seen as a perceived stranglehold MESSA had on public school administrators.

"If you hear some of the criticism, you would think that we've put a gun to people's head," Battaglieri said. "There's no gun. There's no smoking gun. There's not even any smoke."

Also, some have contended that MESSA funnels millions of dollars to the MEA for its political action arm. Battaglieri said that, too, is not the case.

"We were scrutinized by the former Insurance Commissioner at the demand of a former governor and we came out squeaky clean," he said. "I wish I knew where these millions of dollars were because maybe I could use them to help public education."

The following are excerpts of the rest of the conversation MIRS had with Battaglieri on Thursday.


Q. How do you address the concerns that if we give more money to education it will go for the increasing cost of teacher benefits?

A. Some of this goes back to last December when the former state superintendent put out some study regarding that. In that, he talked about how even if the Governor and the Legislature found another $300 dollars per pupil that two-thirds of it would go to cover health care costs and retirement.

At the time, I called the superintendent and the state board president and told them that as a former math teacher, I survived Chicago math and I survived new math and even voodoo math, but this is more akin to Jethro-deciphering-to-Granny-on-the-Beverly-Hillbillies math. Any fourth grader would tell you that two-thirds of $300 is not $250. Secondly, I began to point out how erroneous this information they were putting out was.

The facts just do not bear that as being the case. If you go back to the 1994-95 school year (the first year of Proposal A) and you take a look at teachers' salaries and where they were as a percent of total expenditures and compare that to now, that has gone down 3.28 percent. If you take a look at insurance for that same time period, it has gone up 1.81 percent, but the percentage by which salaries has gone down, more than makes up for the percentage by which insurance has gone up. That's the math that I'm seeing.

There was a time in this state, 15-20 years ago, that insurance was very cheap. It was cheaper to give teachers good insurance coverage than it was salaries and school districts actually used that to bring teachers into their districts. Teachers took lower salaries to get that "Cadillac" insurance. Over the last 20 years of bargaining, I can give you names and places of where we took less salary in order to maintain the insurance. We took less salary to prevent the insurance from being cut.

Now, the state is in an economic problem and all of a sudden, it's, "We have to cut." We are not in a spending problem in this state. We are having a resource problem and a funding problem. To make people who have already given up salaries give up their insurance makes us the scapegoats and that is not good public policy.

Q. The American School Board Journal report of 2004 says Michigan teachers are the second-best paid in the country and that Michigan is the fourth-highest spender when it comes to school administrative costs. How do you combat those statistics?

A. Some of that is old information. If you were to run that today, you would find that those percentages are down. We've begun having a huge turnover in staff so the highest-paid staff members with the greatest number of years of seniority are retiring and they're being replaced by lower-earning, younger teachers. The reason Michigan was where it was, in part, was that Michigan does have good salaries, but the real reason was that we had an aging workforce that was at the top of the pay scale.

As far as the administrative salaries, there are some places in the state where those administrative salaries are high and I'm not the person to comment on those.

Q. Another argument is that MESSA has school districts by the throat if they want to look for health care insurance alternatives. How do you combat that one?

A. I'm hoping the reason they're saying those things is out of ignorance, and I mean "ignorance" in the true sense of the word - that they just don't know. I don't want to be insulting. If it's not, then we're going to have a real problem. If it's ignorance, we can correct that. We can tell them the facts.

For example, MESSA is in only about 55 percent of the school market. They do not have a monopoly, as has been said. Forty-five percent of school employees are being offered insurance through someone else. So MESSA does not have this stranglehold that some keep talking about.

MESSA was created in 1960 because small groups, particularly custodial units and small teacher units, didn't have anywhere in the market to go. MESSA was created to offer that service as a non-profit entity. When we talk about MESSA as the "Cadillac" insurance, MESSA is good coverage at an affordable price. We are very competitive. We have a number of instances where it is written in contracts that school districts have the ability to find comparable insurance if premiums go beyond a certain amount.

These are some of the facts. People are surprised that MESSA is not a monopoly on the school market. These two Senate bills (SB 0055 and SB 0056) were, I think, written as anti-MESSA bills. They're actually anti-collective bargaining bills. They would gut collective bargaining rights for school employees through a state takeover.

Q. The House is looking at linking an increase in education funding to MESSA reforms. Would that be a no for you?

A. That's beyond a simple no. That is stupid. That is blackmail. That is holding kids hostage. First of all, I don't see where the good in public policy is on the anti-MESSA attacks. To tie it to funding for kids makes no sense.

Q. Tom Clay's mentioned in his presentation that part of the reason teacher health insurance is rising is because some units don't ask employees to make co-pays and others offer health insurance for life to new teachers and their spouses for as little as five years of service. How do you defend this to a general public that doesn't receive these types of benefits.

A. Again, that gets back to the ignorance piece. If it's malice, that's a different issue, but if it's ignorance, we can help them with the facts. The facts are that nearly 40 percent of our members have some type of co-pay. Everybody has a co-pay when they go to the drug store and the doctor's office, but 40 percent are paying co-pays on their premiums, out of pocket.

One hundred percent of our members have co-pays for drugs, hospital visits and doctor visits. We have some members who have co-pays on premiums that are as high as $400 a month. I can give you name and verse of members who are literally working to keep their insurance for their families.

Q. What do you think the chances are that Senate Minority Leader Bob EMERSON's (D-Flint) bill that guarantees annual state education funding increases at 5 percent or the rate of inflation, whichever is lower, gets passed?

A. The interesting piece is that people who are supportive of public education have come out in favor of it. Others are finding reasons not to support it. I haven't done a head count and I don't know what the numbers are. All of the talking heads are saying this is dead in the water.

>From my perspective, it's had some benefits. The Governor and the legislative leaders are trying to one up the other on who is going to give us more money. There is this talk about the extra $175 per pupil. Quite frankly, I hope the thing goes through, but I never put all of our eggs in that basket. I do hope the Legislature looks at it and gives it serious consideration. If they do, I think it will pass.

Part of the purpose of the bill was to give the Legislature the opportunity to do right by public schools. Should they fail to do that, we're going to take our cause to the people. Inside Michigan Politics' recent survey has this thing with 61 percent support from the general public. I hope legislators look at this bill. We wanted to give them an opportunity to do what they say every election year, that they love public schools.

Q. Do you think voters believe that the more money you spend on education, the better that education will be?

A. I don't think there's any taxpayer out there that wants to throw money away. But I do believe that the voters should believe that public education is underfunded, particularly with the unfunded mandates that the federal government gives us under No Child Left Behind. More and more money is going toward paperwork, toward keeping up with all of the rules and regulations. There is much too much money not going into the classroom, not going to the kids. When I say that, I truly believe the best investment is putting a prepared, experienced and tested teacher in front of every child, and that costs money.

Q. What do you make of the situation in the state of Washington, where voters passed something like this, but the Legislature was forced to overturn the voters' wishes during the next budget cycle because they said they couldn't pay for it?

A. That's both a plus and a minus of this thing. It's not written in stone. The legislators can change it if they have to and that's part of the selling point. But once the people have spoken, I think it carries their responsibilities to a higher level of undoing what the voters have done.

Now, Washington is an interesting case because they also were the ones to start this zero-based budgeting, this new way of doing things where you start out with a clean slate. This was the state that when they have finished their process, they forget to fund the civil courts. So I don't know if I would put too much stake in what's going on out there.

Q. How much of a role do you think the MEA played in getting Gov. Jennifer GRANHOLM to chase former state Superintendent Tom WATKINS out of his post?

A. We didn't play any role in that at all. I had known for a while that there were some personality clashes, difference of opinion, perhaps policy differences, and we pretty much stayed out of it. We only became involved when it became public. Quite frankly, neither the state superintendent nor the State Board of Education warranted the type of political capital it would have cost us to do anything against either one of them.

There was nothing in it for us to gain. The biggest thing that state Board of Education has done in the last couple of years was change the MEAP (Michigan Education Assessment Program) from being given in the fall instead of the spring because it makes it easier for them to report out the scores so we can use them that year.

But they never asked me, as a former math teacher, about what that does to the sequence of teaching. You have to do fractions before you do percents before you do decimals. They never asked me as a social studies teacher about what that does as you teach history, that you have to teach the Civil War before you teach World War II — in terms of the questions that are asked on the MEAP.

They never asked us if we ought to change when these questions are asked because it wouldn't have been covered as a part of our curriculum, yet. They did it because it was convenient for them.

Q. Should we disband the Board of Education?

A. That's one of those philosophical questions that I'm not sure has a practical answer. Clearly, it's in our constitution and they exist. They do their job well, given the perimeters they have and given some of the power that they've had taken away from them by a previous administration.

I think the state Board of Education has a role. I think the bigger question is, should the superintendent be appointed by the Governor or should it be kept the way that it is? My personal opinion is that it ought to mirror what happens in Washington. If this person is going to be a member of the cabinet, then the Governor, who is responsible for public education in the state, ought to have a much larger say-so in who that cabinet person is.

I'd rather talk about making the Legislature part-time, unicameral and non-partisan.

Q. It appears the Governor's preferred pick for superintendent is Mike FLANAGAN, the executive director of the Michigan Association of School Administrators. What do you think about that choice?

A. Since it's the Governor's choice, I would support it whoever that person was, given what I said about giving the governor a strong say-so. On a personal note, I have known Mike for a long time. He is a good guy. He is a straight-shooter. He is trustworthy. I believe he truly believes in public education and what he's doing. I had heard that he is a bit reluctant in taking the post (see MIRS, Jan. 19, 2005) and so that would be my only concern. I want somebody in there with the fire and brimstone it's going to take to lead this state in education, but I think he has all of the qualifications it takes to do the job.

Q. Outside of Mr. Flanagan, are there any other names you'd like to throw into the mix as being good candidates for the post?

A. Actually, there is someone. His name Doug HARRIS. I think he's an up-and-comer. He has ties to the Lansing area. Right now, he's at Florida State University, running education policy — the laboratory there. He's done a lot of work on education policy for the Legislature in Florida. He clearly lacks experience in being a school superintendent, but I think he more than makes up for it with some of the other things he's done in his life.
 

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